Guillaume Vogeleer (Jimmy le Belge)

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/615132-tough-guys-in-thailand/page-2


(...)

Agree with you about Patpong. Tony Po, Pat Landry, Jack Shirley et al were great fun, usually at Madrid. Those days are missed but some of the old guys are still around. We talk often and get together when I go down to Pattaya. Many of them moved there for the golf, as did I originally.

Talking about tough guys, I am reminded about a guy named Jimmy the Belgian. Ex- Foreign Legion, mercenary and advisor to the Thai army (true). A few years ago he opened a bar on Soi Post Office and called it The Legionaire. Jimmy was not one to be taken lightly, yet as the story goes, one night a young British hooligan came in looking for a fight. Jimmy asked the guy to leave and the guy asked Jimmy what he would do if he, the hooligan, wouldn't leave. Jimmy told him he would break his leg and throw him out on the street. The hooligan didn't....and Jimmy did.

I ran the Grand Prix for Rick when he went on vacation in the early 80's. Had a great time and free booze. Not one bit of trouble back then.

Things have changed

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If I've got the right guy, the Belgian was a fixture in NEP, Cowboy and Patpong - he had an abrasive manner, usually had a younger Thai male in tow, and had a voice like gravel being thrown on a corrugated tin roof. Other than his loudness, I never saw him actually pick a fight, though he would go on angrily and at length about the people he hated - Germans particularly, but anyone else who could not claim to originate from Belgium. We avoided him like the plague and I wondered whatever became of him.

Then there was Tiger, holding out at Lucy's Tiger Den - remember him? I last saw him in Manila in his bar (Yellow Brick Road) and understand he lost his legs due to diabetes and died in the late '80's. Jack Shirley, who liked his corner stool in the Madrid, was the guy who insisted that teaching English to BG's was a simple matter of teaching them to say, "Good idea" to any suggestion that a punter might make.

No night market in Patpong in those days either.....

(...)

http://burmalibrary.org/docs3/BPS93-08.pdf

(...)

Influx of West bloc mercenaries among the KNU. The
first were "French, Belgian and Australian stragglers," especially
French. "A group of doctors and nurses who called themselves
'Medicins san Frontieres {sic},' joined the KNU, followed by a
handful of rogue soldiers." In 1985 a French mercenary named Jean-
Philippe Coureges Clercq was killed and an Australian named Martin
Donnelly (known as Sonny Wingate) was wounded during a Tatmadaw
offensive against the KNU. A 10-man group of Belgians, French,
British, and Franco-Khmers was led by the Belgian Jimmy Vogler. In
March 1986, a French commando instructor gave a course to the KNU,
after which a Frenchman named Olivier led an attack. Also in 1986 a
19-man group of American doctors and nurses arrived at the KNU camp
in November, and another five Japanese and French doctors in
December. "In November 1988, a US Republican Senator stole into
Myanmar territory from across the border. He met the misled students
then seeking shelter in KNU camps and encouraged them to rush down
the path to doom. A Mr Joseph {sic} Silverstein who is said to be an
expert on Myanmar politics paid a call on Bo Mya. The same year, a
certain Colonel Blue from the US came to confer with Bo Mya and KIA
chief Brang Seng."

(...)

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/30/volunteering-to-fight-in-burma/

Gaston Besson

Posted August 8, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Hi guys

Interesting to read all these post . I have not been is Mae Sot for years . I just hope that most of my old comrads of harms are still alive ..

I was part of the first so called ” French .- Belgium ” team .. 1985/1988 .and I served with the KNLA in and out till 1990 .

Why ” so called ” French – Belgium ” team ? Well even if Guillaume Wogler alias ” Jimmy the Belgium ” was a friend , a great adventurer and a good man – Rest in peace – RIP in was only in command of this operation from his head quater in Pat Pong ( Madrid Bar ).

The team was made only of French men . I met also an Australian and a Kiwi both wounded in operation and of course all our Friends from the ” Japonese Imperial Army ” . LOL ! ( Mr Abe . Ito and Nishikawa )
Met also couples of americans old timers .. Good guys !

Maybe some of you remember my brother ? ” John ” ? He had a French restaurant in Maesot for years ..

I made a small VDO – Photos souvenir and post it on Youtube ..

Be good or at least try your best !! LOL !
And say I to all the boys for me …


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzD3-DJje5A

http://beck.library.emory.edu/southernchanges/article.php?id=sc10-3_010

(...)

In the December 1987 issue of Soldier of Fortune magazine, retired major general John Singlaub said in a funding appeal, "If I were back in Vietnam in a firefight, then I'd ask for an airstrike to blow the bastards away. But to win this fight we need money. To fight the damned Christic Institute lawsuit takes money." (...)

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http://fr.scribd.com/doc/96135063/CAIB-Covert-Action-n%C2%B022-automne-1984

John K Singlaub et Daniel O Graham (IEPS, etc) se connaissaient ...





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Security_Council_Foundation

https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/organisations/ASC_membership_list.htm

Daniel O Graham a été "Vice chair WACL U.S." sous Singlaub ...

Pour les férus d'histoire, le livre "The Hunt for Khun Sa" de Ron Felber s'étend un peu sur "l'opération X".

On la retrouve sur Google Books dans le livre suivant (en français) :

Fréquence crash
Par Jacques Kaufmann

On y parle de Trinquier, qui passera par le Katanga (en conflit avec Guy Weber)...

Les alliances entre "les services" et le trafic de drogue n'ont rien de neuf.

Voir aussi :

http://gerardcagna.blogs.nouvelobs.com/tag/drogue

(...) Souvent aux mains des paramilitaires alliés pour l’occasion aux Services spéciaux, ou des extrémistes religieux version Talibans ou bien encore des fanatiques totalitaristes, le juteux marché de la drogue a largement été utilisé par les démocraties et les officines de leur services de Renseignements.

Les Etats Unis jouent souvent double jeu, pour des questions purement géopolitiques, notamment en Asie du Sud Est et en Amérique du Sud, pour ne citer que les principaux foyers de collusion entre états démocratiques, trafiquants et mafias.

La France a donné l’exemple en Indochine en 1950, en utilisant la vente de l’opium, avec l’appui logistique de la DGSE pour armer et entraîner les montagnards Hmongs et mettre en place le concept de contre-révolution contre le Vietminh.

Initié par le célèbre commandant Trinquier, ce concept sera repris par les Américains au Vietnam contre les Viêt-Cong. Et l’utilisation de l’opium comme moyen financier occulte, sera pour les Français à l’origine de la French Connexion, la DGSE (ancêtre de l’actuel SDECE) ayant ouvert, avec l’Opération X, la route Saigon Marseille aux chimistes corses.

Ce sera le règne des petits arrangements entre copains et coquins, entre politiciens sans scrupules et truands calibrés grand banditisme. (...)

Il est question de Pa Kao Her, bien connu de Guillaume Vogeleer mais très probablement aussi de John Singlaub et de Oliver North dans

Violent Buddhism
publié par Vladimir Tikhonov,Torkel Brekke

Trinquier est aussi cité dans un document de 1980 :

http://reninc.org/bookshelf/history_of_the_hmong_mottin.pdf

The Iran-Contra Connection
Par Jonathan Marshall,Peter Dale Scott,Jane Hunter





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Il semble donc que les liens entre John K. Singlaub et la WACL ont commencé bien avant les années 1980. Il serait intéressant de savoir quand lui et Daniel O. Graham ont rencontré le général Close pour la première fois ... en tout cas avant la création de l'IEPS ...

John K. Singlaub était semble-t-il depuis très longtemps un habitué de l'utilisation de trafics de drogue pour financer des opérations secrètes...

Voir aussi :

http://www.mocavo.com/Official-Army-Register-for-1-January-1956-Volume-1/366833/1164











Sur William A. Knowlton :

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9400E6DA153AF933A1575BC0A96E9C8B63

Paid Notice: Deaths
KNOWLTON, GEN
Published: August 20, 2008

KNOWLTON--Gen william A. Knowlton, on August 10th, 2008 at Virginia Hospital Center, Arlington, Virginia. A January 1943 graduate of West Point and a career Army officer, General Knowlton served in the 7th Armored Division in WWII and the Ninth Infantry Division in Vietnam, earning three Silver Star Medals. He was the Superintendent of West Point from 1970 to 1974 and completed in 1980 but continued to serve the military in various capacities. He was also a Director of the Chubb Corporation for nine years and a trustee for Davis and Elkins college. General Knowlton is survived by his wife, Marjorie D. (Peggy) Knowlton, of Alexandria, Virginia; three sons, William A. Knowlton, Jr., Lieutenant Colonel, US Army, Retired, of Burke, Virginia; Davis D. Knowlton of Manila, Philippines; Timothy R. Knowlton of Mill Valley, California; a daughter, Hollister K. Petraeus of Fort Myer, Virginia; seven grandchildren; and two great-grandchildren. Burial will be at Arlington National Cemetery (Memorial Chapel) on November 21, 2008 at 1:00 pm. In lieu of flowers, donations may be to the West Point Fund or Army Emergency Relief.

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Davis D. Knowlton connaissait bien Guillaume Vogeleer ...

http://teakdoor.com/food-and-drink/24683-chis-madrid-review-oldest-expat-pub-3.html

Old 17-11-2009, 04:19 PM  #74 (permalink)

Davis Knowlton

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Philippines
Posts: 8,309

Davis Knowlton Thailand Expat

I've been eating there for more than 30 years. The food is great when you want a change from Thai. I knew Khun Jack well, as well as Mom and her daughters. Also knew Jimmy the Belgian years ago before he moved to Pattaya. I know my picture is on the wall, as well as my wife's. Great ham hock and bean soup - with cornbread. Yum. Going to be one of my first stops when I get back in six more days

La famille de William Knowlton est intéressante ..

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/05/petraeus-exclusive-201005





http://www.showbizdaily.net/holly-petraeus-is-cia-director-david-petraeus-wife/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=holly-petraeus-is-cia-director-david-petraeus-wife

Holly Petraeus Is CIA Director David Petraeus’ Wife

(...)

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David Howell Petraeus (born November 7, 1952) is a retired American military officer and public official. He served as Director of the Central Intelligence Agency from September 6, 2011,[3] until his resignation on November 9, 2012.[4]

Voir aussi :

http://historyanarchy.blogspot.be/2012/01/father-in-law-with-benefits-how-david.html

et

http://www.aco.nato.int/resources/7/documents/2010/SOA%20Member_Petraeus_JE%20edits.pdf

(...) General Petraeus served at SHAPE from 1987-88 while serving as military assistant to Gen. John Galvin, the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe. He is a life member of SOA. (...)

Sur William Knowlton ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/14/AR2008081403527.html

(...)  He also served on the staffs of Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower and Gen. Omar Bradley at the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in the early 1950s.

(...)   After West Point (1974 ?), Gen. Knowlton became chief of staff of the European Command and for his last three years of active duty was the U.S. representative to NATO's military committee in Brussels, the highest military authority in the NATO alliance.

After his retirement, he was a senior fellow at a defense studies institute at the National Defense University at Fort McNair for 15 years. He also served as an adviser for the Defense Nuclear Agency and was a member of the Defense Intelligence Agency Science and Technology Advisory Board.

In the private sector, he became a director of the Chubb Corp. and served as a trustee for Davis and Elkins College in West Virginia. He had been a resident of Arlington County and Alexandria since 1980.   (...)

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Je note qu'il a travaillé pour Chubb Corp. ...

Stefano Delle Chiaie

http://www.huffingtonpost.it/2013/12/12/strage-piazza-fontana-foto_n_4433024.html?just_reloaded=1#slide=3219994

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http://sergiofalcone.blogspot.be/2009/08/de-victor-jara-guantanamo-la-meme-cia.html

http://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/de-victor-jara-a-guantanamo-la-56869

Extrait :

(...)  A lui seul, "ALFA" est tout un poème, et démontre que le pouvoir chilien était bien fasciste, et s’appuyait en Europe sur les éléments fascistes : de tous les néo-fascistes ou fascistes purs et durs, c’était bien l’un des pires en effet. Son CV résume des années d’activisme de l’extrême-droite la pire existant, n’hésitant pas à tuer ou à placer des bombes partout : en 1970 il sera dans le coup d’état en Italie qui tentera de renverser le pouvoir par la force : "Après la tentative de coup d’État à Rome du 8 décembre 1970 (golpe Borghese) menée avec Junio Valerio Borghese, ancien homme de main de Mussolini, il s’enfuit en mars 1971 vers l’Espagne franquiste 12, comme Vincenzo Vinciguerra. Là-bas, il se lie avec des hommes qui participeront ensuite aux GAL, les escadrons de la mort anti-ETA, ainsi qu’avec le Belge Léon Degrelle. Il rencontre notamment José Lopez Rega, l’éminence grise d’Isabel Peron, et aussi le fondateur de la Triple A, un escadron de la mort argentin " précise Wikipedia. Un ami de Degrelle, un de plus ! On a bien affaire à l’extrême-droite européenne et à des nostalgiques du führer comme soutiens direct, en Europe, de la CIA. Nous retrouverons la même filière avec l’affaire des tueurs du Brabant Wallon : les liens de la CIA avec l’extrême droite ne se sont jamais taris. Le relais étant donné en Belgique par l’Otan.  (...)


Note : parmi les amis de Degrelle (Stefano delle Chiaie, Wellens, etc), il ne faut pas oublier Lekeu !

Dans la revue suivante (en allemand) :

http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-14024626.html

le bar de Charles Masy est cité :

26.12.1983

Kill sie alle, Gott sortiert die Schurken aus

Von Wiedemann, Erich

SPIEGEL-Reporter Erich Wiedemann beim Treffen der "Soldiers of Fortune" in Las Vegas *

(...)

Er hat es überall versucht, bei Ginger Best in London, der angeblich die bestsortierte Söldnerkartei der Welt besitzt, in der "Renaissance Bar" des Charles Masy in Brüssel, eines Kongo-Veteranen, der gut Bescheid weiß in der Branche, weil die alten Kämpfer auf der Durchreise gern bei ihm einkehren. SOF-Redakteur Alex McColl kennt ein paar vermögende Patrioten in El Salvador, die ständig gute Leute suchen. Aber Mittelamerika ist ein heißes Pflaster, wo das Verhältnis von Verdienst und Risiko nicht im Lot ist. Das gleiche gilt für den Libanon. Nein, für Brian ist das nichts.

(...)

Charles Masy est aussi cité dans

http://www.kalemie.be/text_kasongo_nyembo.htm

notamment :

(...) Certains mercenaires avaient un casier judiciaire bien fourni, notamment Marcel Poelman, alias Bob Marco, alias « L’ange noir » (son surnom de catcheur), ou Charles Masy qui avait été « forcé » à s’engager avec la promesse d’un abandon des poursuites pour coups et blessures sur la personne d’un inspecteur de police. (...)

Pour rappel, le mouvement de Stefano delle Chiaie a été financé par l'industriel italien Carlo Pesenti.

On retrouve un membre des familles Pesenti et Ferrero dans

https://www.allianz.com/v_1382692371000/media/investor_relations/en/corporate_governance/statutes/statutes_1310_en.pdf

(...)  These are for the Board of Directors of RIUNIONE ADRIATICA DI
SICURTÀ Società per Azioni or RAS Italia S.p.A., respectively,
Giuseppe Vita, Michael Diekmann, Paolo Vagnone, Paolo
Biasi, Detlev Bremkamp, Carlo Buora, Vittorio Colao, Nicola
Costa, Rodolfo De Benedetti, Klaus Duehrkop, Pietro Ferrero,
Francesco Micheli, Salvatore Orlando, Dr. Helmut Perlet,
Giampiero Pesenti, Andrea Pininfarina, Gianfelice Rocca and
Carlo Salvatori,  (...)



RIUNIONE ADRIATICA DI SICURTÀ

(...)  Il controllo della società venne assunto all'inizio degli anni sessanta dalle famiglie Pesenti di Bergamo e Ravano di Genova, che nominarono presidente nel 1965 Massimo Spada.

Nel gennaio del 1967, dopo la morte del prof. Sacerdoti, divenne presidente e amministratore delegato l'ing. Ettore Lolli (1908-2000), ex-vicedirettore generale della B.N.L. e consulente finanziario di Carlo Pesenti, che controllava la RAS tramite l'Italmobiliare.

Nel 1980 la Ras incorporò l'Assicuratrice Italiana, che aveva fondato sul finire dell'Ottocento.

Nel 1982 l'ing. Lolli lasciò la presidenza della Ras a Franz Schmitz, già direttore generale della Société de Banque Suisse.

Dopo la morte di Carlo Pesenti nel 1984, il figlio Giampiero, a causa del forte indebitamento delle società di famiglia, vendette la sua partecipazione nella RAS alla società assicurativa tedesca Allianz.

Allianz entrò nel capitale di RAS fino a controllarne il 55% nel 2005.   (...)

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In 1984 Italmobiliare S.p.A. owner Carlo Pesenti, who owned 38% of RAS, died. Munich-based Allianz snapped up Pesenti's share along with RAS stakes held by other Italian insurers. Three years later Allianz became the majority owner with 51.5%. In 1990 RAS collaborated with Allianz and Hypobaruk to open RASBANK.

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http://www.bergamonews.it/economia/assemblea-italcementi-pesenti-ricorda-ferrero-145055

Il presidente, in apertura dei lavori assembleari, ha ricordato Pietro Ferrero, amministratore delegato dell'omonimo gruppo morto in incidente in Sudafrica a 48 anni.

Assemblea Italcementi, Pesenti ricorda Ferrero

(...)

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http://archives.sudpresse.be/une-proche-des-ferrero_t-20110512-H33UHH.html?queryand=30.000&firstHit=0&by=20&when=-1&sort=datedesc&pos=13&all=10696&nav=1

Une proche des Ferrero

n.c.

Jeudi 12 mai 2011

La reine Paola n’a pas oublié ses origines italiennes. En Belgique, elle a quelques amis proches qui portent un nom qui fleure bon le sud. Parmi eux, il y a notamment Aldo Vastapane qui a été fait baron par le Roi. La Reine est aussi une proche des Ferrero. Ferrero? Oui, c’est le nom de la famille qui a inventé le fameux Nutella. Une famille richissime récemment endeuillée par le décès de Pietro (47 ans) d’une crise cardiaque alors qu’il faisait du vélo en Afrique du Sud. Lui et son frère Giovanni ont étudié en Belgique, leur père Michele ayant déménagé à Rhode-Saint-Genèse. La Reine a assisté à l’enterrement à Alba, le 27 avril, en présence de 30.000 personnes, dont Berlusconi.

Sur Pesenti ...

Entrepreneurial Strategy: Emerging Businesses in Declining Industries
Par Lucio Cassia,Michael Fattore, Stefano Paleari

http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/companyOfficers?symbol=ITMI.MI

Italmobiliare SpA





Giampiero Pesenti

Eng. Giampiero Pesenti has served as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Italmobiliare SpA since 1984. He also serves as Member of the Executive Committee of the Company. He joined Italcementi SpA in 1958. In 1983 he became General Manager, in 1984 Executive Director and since 2004 he has been Chairman of Italcementi SpA. He serves as Director of Pirelli & C. SpA, Mittel SpA, Allianz SpA and Compagnie Monegasque de Banque. He graduated in Mechanical Engineering from Politecnico di Milano.


Carlo Pesenti

Mr. Carlo Pesenti serves as General Manager and Executive Director at Italmobiliare SpA. He was appointed as General Manager of the Company on May 14, 2001. He also serves as Member of the Executive Committee of the Company. After being Co-General Manager, in May 2004 he was appointed Executive Director of Italcementi. He graduated in Mechanical Engineering from Politecnico di Milano and obtained also Masters Degree in Economics and Management from Universita Commerciale Luigi Bocconi.


Note : ne pas se tromper de "Carlo Pesenti" (il y a le grand-père et le petit-fils ... avec Giampiero au milieu) ...

Carlo is born in 1907. He lived in Bergamo. Carlo is one son from the six brothers of big Italian industrial family. Carlo had a son who is called Giampiero (born in 1931) and grandson - Carlo II. Carlo died in 1984.

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Il faut noter le lien avec la compagnie d'assurances Allianz basée à Munich, elle-même liée à Munich Re et à la Deutsche bank.

On retrouve Carlo Pesenti (le grand-père) dans l'affaire des avions renifleurs ...

V...: Enquête sur l'affaire des «avions renifleurs»
Par Pierre Péan

Quelques extraits :






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On retrouve donc des personnes qui seront présentes à la "fameuse" réunion à la résidence Rockefeller avec Kissinger, Otto de Habsbourg, Andreotti ... quelques jours avant le coup d'état "Borghese"

Certaines sont aussi dans le schéma de Latinus :





(voir Violet et de Villegas)

Hardcover: 590 pages
Publisher: Cambridge University Press (October 22, 2001)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0521809290

Les écuries de la Ve
Par Thierry Wolton

Notamment :

Dictionnaire de la mouvance droitiste et nationale, de 1945 à nos jours
Par Jacques Leclercq

Le phénix: Le retour de Bernard Tapie
Par Airy Routier

http://doc.rero.ch/record/109097/files/1983-12-24.pdf